Few people in public service can tote up the career resume of Bill Richardson, especially when it comes to energy policy. So, I thought it just made sense to invite him on the Columbia Energy Exchange podcast to discuss what he thinks of the Trump administration and its approach to energy policy.

Richardson’s 40 years of experience include stints as a member of the House of Representatives from New Mexico, U.S. ambassador to the U.N. and energy secretary during the Clinton administration, and governor of New Mexico.

He’s also been a Democratic candidate for president and the negotiator of difficult talks with North Korea, Cuba, Iraq and Sudan that resulted in the release of hostages and American servicemen.

Oh, and need I mention his four nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize and his three books, including one called “How to Sweet-Talk a Shark: Strategies and Stories from a Master Negotiator.”

I sat down with Richardson during one of his recent visits to Washington to talk about the evolution of U.S. energy policy since the 1970s, the energy challenges facing the U.S. today and the Trump administration, including the latest energy secretary, Rick Perry.